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		<title>By: Rewarding the Rich: An Insult to the Working Class &#171; CUNY SPS Community Blog</title>
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		<title>By: johncronanjr</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all, thanks to everyone for commenting. It makes writing these worthwhile.

Though I&#039;m going to have to disagree with Maureen. Your concerns are the same concerns as mine, so it&#039;s not about intentions. I just believe that the economic policy you are advocating has proven to fail, and I&#039;d say has contributed to the current economic crisis.

We need to extend the tax cuts for the bottom 80% of the population--I would even settle for extending them for the bottom 95%. However, the top percentiles&#039; taxes need to be increased, and here is why.

First, history shows that they can handle. In the golden age of capitalism--a time where GDP growth rates vastly outpaced those of the last 30 years--the top tax brackets paid taxes as high as 94% of their income. High rates lasted up until as late as the early 1970s, with them paying 70%.

Second, it is good for the economy and the budget. It provides government income that can be used to provided vital services to the working class--like unemployment benefits, subsidized housing and healthcare, increasing the minimum wage, etc.--as well as be a source of funding for infrastructure spending--which we need badly, especially in addressing the ecological crisis. Both of these things stimulate the economy and provide jobs. Providing the social services reducing inequality and lessens the chances of economic meltdown. It also puts more dispensable income in the hands of people who will spend it, increasing demand and stimulating the economy. Infrastructure spending will directly create jobs--that&#039;s an easy one.

Third, tax cuts for the wealthy do not create jobs at the level we need, if any at all.  Wealthy people do not put their money into the economy the same way that working class and middle income people do.  They are more likely to save it or sit on it to wait for more profitable times in the market. For example, reports came out recently stating that non-financial companies are sitting on over a TRILLION DOLLARS. Yet, they are not hiring people. This is because they don&#039;t have confidence in the market. They don&#039;t think they&#039;ll make the profits the want. Here&#039;s the link to the article.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2010-08-31-1Anationaldebt31_CV_N.htm

What we need is a high road, Wage-led growth, not low road, Profit-led growth. The latter is what we&#039;ve had since the 70s--the neoliberal era. This can be done in the short term by providing adequate fiscal stimulus--much, much, larger than has already been provided--and this can be paid for by taxing the wealthy, and, as you said, cutting wasteful spending (a few wars come to mind). Also, the government needs to have a more active role in creating jobs through infrastructure spending, etc. Trickle-down economics just doesn&#039;t work.

But here&#039;s the catch. I don&#039;t think ANY of this is going to happen in the next two years. We couldn&#039;t get meaningful economic legislation passed under a Democratic majority, never mind under a Republican controlled house. We need to consolidate our forces on the ground and build so we can pressure for change from below now, and get some people elected in 2012.  This does not, however, suggest extending tax cuts for wealthy becomes the only option. That will exaccerbate the crisis even more. We need to buckle down and make sure that they DON&quot;T get extended, and defend all of the other programs that are good--like social security.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, thanks to everyone for commenting. It makes writing these worthwhile.</p>
<p>Though I&#8217;m going to have to disagree with Maureen. Your concerns are the same concerns as mine, so it&#8217;s not about intentions. I just believe that the economic policy you are advocating has proven to fail, and I&#8217;d say has contributed to the current economic crisis.</p>
<p>We need to extend the tax cuts for the bottom 80% of the population&#8211;I would even settle for extending them for the bottom 95%. However, the top percentiles&#8217; taxes need to be increased, and here is why.</p>
<p>First, history shows that they can handle. In the golden age of capitalism&#8211;a time where GDP growth rates vastly outpaced those of the last 30 years&#8211;the top tax brackets paid taxes as high as 94% of their income. High rates lasted up until as late as the early 1970s, with them paying 70%.</p>
<p>Second, it is good for the economy and the budget. It provides government income that can be used to provided vital services to the working class&#8211;like unemployment benefits, subsidized housing and healthcare, increasing the minimum wage, etc.&#8211;as well as be a source of funding for infrastructure spending&#8211;which we need badly, especially in addressing the ecological crisis. Both of these things stimulate the economy and provide jobs. Providing the social services reducing inequality and lessens the chances of economic meltdown. It also puts more dispensable income in the hands of people who will spend it, increasing demand and stimulating the economy. Infrastructure spending will directly create jobs&#8211;that&#8217;s an easy one.</p>
<p>Third, tax cuts for the wealthy do not create jobs at the level we need, if any at all.  Wealthy people do not put their money into the economy the same way that working class and middle income people do.  They are more likely to save it or sit on it to wait for more profitable times in the market. For example, reports came out recently stating that non-financial companies are sitting on over a TRILLION DOLLARS. Yet, they are not hiring people. This is because they don&#8217;t have confidence in the market. They don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll make the profits the want. Here&#8217;s the link to the article.<br />
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2010-08-31-1Anationaldebt31_CV_N.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2010-08-31-1Anationaldebt31_CV_N.htm</a></p>
<p>What we need is a high road, Wage-led growth, not low road, Profit-led growth. The latter is what we&#8217;ve had since the 70s&#8211;the neoliberal era. This can be done in the short term by providing adequate fiscal stimulus&#8211;much, much, larger than has already been provided&#8211;and this can be paid for by taxing the wealthy, and, as you said, cutting wasteful spending (a few wars come to mind). Also, the government needs to have a more active role in creating jobs through infrastructure spending, etc. Trickle-down economics just doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the catch. I don&#8217;t think ANY of this is going to happen in the next two years. We couldn&#8217;t get meaningful economic legislation passed under a Democratic majority, never mind under a Republican controlled house. We need to consolidate our forces on the ground and build so we can pressure for change from below now, and get some people elected in 2012.  This does not, however, suggest extending tax cuts for wealthy becomes the only option. That will exaccerbate the crisis even more. We need to buckle down and make sure that they DON&#8221;T get extended, and defend all of the other programs that are good&#8211;like social security.</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maureen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your comment.  The bottom line is that we pay taxes based on how much we make so that the wealthy of the country already pay a lot of tax. I am by no means defending them.  I just feel if you raise taxes on everyone at this point it will not help the problem.  You are right that if products and services are in demand then the economy will grow.  If people are able to get back to work then they will be spending on more than the bare essentials and demand will increase.  I think the government has to look at their own wasteful spending and make the cuts there before they put that burden on the taxpayer again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment.  The bottom line is that we pay taxes based on how much we make so that the wealthy of the country already pay a lot of tax. I am by no means defending them.  I just feel if you raise taxes on everyone at this point it will not help the problem.  You are right that if products and services are in demand then the economy will grow.  If people are able to get back to work then they will be spending on more than the bare essentials and demand will increase.  I think the government has to look at their own wasteful spending and make the cuts there before they put that burden on the taxpayer again.</p>
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		<title>By: jbrigantino</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well written.  I just don&#039;t see the solid evidence behind how extending these Bush tax cuts is a facilitator of job creation.  I owned a small business and finally sold it in 2008.  I honestly think it&#039;s nonsense that small businesses are reluctant to hire &quot;new&quot; workers because of modestly higher tax rates.  It just doesn&#039;t add up.  If demand for products and services rebounds robustly then companies will begin (and they already certainly have) to hire again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written.  I just don&#8217;t see the solid evidence behind how extending these Bush tax cuts is a facilitator of job creation.  I owned a small business and finally sold it in 2008.  I honestly think it&#8217;s nonsense that small businesses are reluctant to hire &#8220;new&#8221; workers because of modestly higher tax rates.  It just doesn&#8217;t add up.  If demand for products and services rebounds robustly then companies will begin (and they already certainly have) to hire again.</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maureen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m all for the wealthy paying their fair share of taxes and I agree that eliminating deductions for healthcare costs and such on the middle class is not the solution. It&#039;s a quick fix.  But if you don&#039;t extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone then where are the jobs going to come from? It&#039;s the corporations and the small business owners that employ us and if you take more money out of their pockets then they will not hire.  We need jobs in this country.  That is the only way to stimulate the economy.  I don&#039;t know how you do that if you raise taxes on the companies who can create jobs. People are out of work at an alarming number, myself being one of them. I spend every day sending out my resume and I can tell you it is still very bad out there on the job front.  Government does need to cut spending but not on necessary programs for the people. If they really did go line by line through the budget they could find the money instead of raising taxes.  I doubt they will do that since most of them didn&#039;t even read the healthcare bill before it was passed.  The government waste is incredible.  
Regarding your comment that the rich will not stimulate the economy, I have to disagree.  As I said they are the ones who own the businesses that can employ people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for the wealthy paying their fair share of taxes and I agree that eliminating deductions for healthcare costs and such on the middle class is not the solution. It&#8217;s a quick fix.  But if you don&#8217;t extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone then where are the jobs going to come from? It&#8217;s the corporations and the small business owners that employ us and if you take more money out of their pockets then they will not hire.  We need jobs in this country.  That is the only way to stimulate the economy.  I don&#8217;t know how you do that if you raise taxes on the companies who can create jobs. People are out of work at an alarming number, myself being one of them. I spend every day sending out my resume and I can tell you it is still very bad out there on the job front.  Government does need to cut spending but not on necessary programs for the people. If they really did go line by line through the budget they could find the money instead of raising taxes.  I doubt they will do that since most of them didn&#8217;t even read the healthcare bill before it was passed.  The government waste is incredible.<br />
Regarding your comment that the rich will not stimulate the economy, I have to disagree.  As I said they are the ones who own the businesses that can employ people.</p>
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